We first encountered Rococo a couple of years ago and were wowed by the potato pizza as we sat on the pavement in Acland Street enjoying the buzz of hipster St Kilda. Two years later Sylvia is vegan and was excited to discover that they have a large vegan menu. We were delighted that we could continue our plans to explore the menu further. After a delicious meal, we walked a few doors up to the iconic Monarch Cake shop to go back in time to experience the old St Kilda where migrants settled to escape the upheaval in Eastern Europe in the first half of the 20th Century.
The pavement tables at Rococo are shaded by black and white striped umbrellas and are a fine place for people watching. It always looks busy and inviting.
Rococo opened in 2005 and feels well established in Acland Street among the many fine places to eat and shop. Like others popular streets in inner Melbourne, this area has gone through phases of being the-place-to be followed by shabby followed by revival. Since opening, Rococo has established restaurants in Hawthorn, Point Cook and Mordialloc.
This is the Smashed potato pizza we first had back in 2023. Actually this photo is from when we returned at the start of 2024 for more pizza. Both times it was superb with chunks of roast potato, melty oozy taleggio cheese, rosemary, sea salt and caramelised onion on a beautiful pizza base with an amazing puffy charred crust. Ever since we have talked about going back for more of this pizza. Of course we wanted to explore the menu more too but this pizza was so good.
On our first trip we were also keen to try more than the pizza. I had the hearty superfood salad: with mixed grains, broccolini, roasted cauliflower, baby beets, candied pumpkin, asparagus, spinach, capers, beetroot, hummus, fetta, chickpeas, toasted nuts & seeds. It was great but I had pizza envy.
We also shared some garlic bread. When I think of garlic bread it is a buttered baguette baked in foil so it comes out soft inside with crisp crusts. Rococo's garlic bread was larger bread slices fried or
grilled on both sides so they were crispy and buttery. It was unexpectedly delicious but filling. As I had to help out Sylvia was that scrumptious pizza, I took salad and garlic bread home for dinner.
For drinks, Sylvia got an apple juice and I got a Passionate Times mocktail of apple juice, passion fruit, fresh lime, dry ginger. Mine was wonderfully refreshing but it was hard to drink with a straw because the passionfruit seeds kept getting stuck in it. Worth it!
When Sylvia went vegan, she gave up all hope of every having that
wonderful pizza again. Then recently she discovered that they have a
large separate vegan menu. And so we returned with my parents and E
last month. We sat inside for the first time. It is a big space
divided into more intimate areas that combine the traditional and the modern with shelves of old wine
bottles and trailing vines against white brick walls.
The waiter was a larger than life character, as one would expect in a good Italian restaurant. After we ordered the drinks, a latte was brought to our table. We insisted it was the wrong table. The waiter was amused when he checked his notes and found that that when my dad had ordered a "light ale", he had written latte. He then proceeded to explain that some beers were light but not ales, especially in Australia. It made my dad's drink order far more memorable than the rest of ours.
Sylvia wanted to try a few of the dishes on the vegan menu so I shared a few dishes with her. First we had the Chickpea dip ($16). The dip was served with an attractive arrangement of chickpeas, smoked paprika, semi-dried tomatoes, pickled onion, herbs and a couple of generous chunks of toasted focaccia on the side. It was a fine way to start our meal.
Of course we had to try the Smashed Roasted Potato, Rosemary & Sea Salt Pizza ($29) which is the vegan version of the one above that we both loved so much. It came with caramelised onion, a melted cheese and crumbled vegan feta. Sylvia loved it but found that the feta cheese had an aftertaste of coconut oil. . I thought it lovely with the same wonderful charred crust and chunks of potato but the vegan cheese was no match for the gooey crispy cheese on the dairy version that had more flavour, crisp edges and stretchy strings. As a lacto ovo vegetarian, I would go for the regular potato pizza but I am really glad that as a vegan Sylvia can have a fantastic version of this favourite pizza.
I was interested to compared the regular and vegan menus so I looked at the pizzas. On the regular menu are 24 pizzas with 6 being vegetarian. On the vegan menu are 8 pizzas and it was interesting to see that three of them were not on the regular menu. Also both dairy and non-dairy potato pizzas were the same price. Those who were vegan and/or dairy free were well looked after.
As well as the pizza for our mains, we had the Spaghetti 'Bolognese' ($35) which had an amazing slow cooked lentil, eggplant & mushroom ragu, and was topped with vegan parmesan and herbs. I loved how the ragu was rich and flavoursome with a good protein but did not have any mock meat. I much prefer a menu like this vegan menu which had some plant based dairy products but is mainly lots of vegetables and legumes rather than mock meats.
Finally we had a side dish of Mixed Leaf Salad with olive oil, balsamic ($10). It was excellent lots of variety in the salad leaves and a great dressing.
Everyone else enjoyed their meal. My mum had the Brodo: a classic clear chicken broth with house-made chicken tortellini and parsley. My dad and E had the Char Grlled Chicken and Bacon risotto with leek, baby spinach, tomato and basil.
We were full after our lunch but Acland Street is famous for its cake shops. We could not resist going to the oldest of them all. Monarch Cakes dates back to 1934 when it was founded by Pearl Levine, a Polish Jewish immigrant who had been a baker in Poland before immigrating to Melbourne. She brought her recipes with her and they have been passed on to subsequent owners.
The cake store is fondly remembered for being part of the old St Kilda that was where Eastern European Jewish families of Melbourne met and ate cake before they moved to Caulfield in the 1980s. There are a few of the cake shops left and it still a joy to admire the cakes in their windows. Monarch Cakes has a lot of traditional cakes unlike some other stores that have more of the colourful and modern cakes.
Inside the counter tells the stories of over 90 years of being part of the local community with photos of the St Kilda Aussie rules footy club and fading photos of the manager with visitors. A set of old fashioned scales sits on the counter alongside cakes on display. The cluttered vintage European charm is one of a place that has seen many years.
We look for a table inside for our group of 5 and slowly discover that the Reserved signs on the table actually say, reserved for groups of 3 of more. However only 4 can fit on a table so we have to sit across two tables with a walkway in between us.
The wooden shelves are crammed with old magazines and photos. A charming assortment of vintage vinyl chairs add to the sense of the place having being here for many years. It is like stepping back in time to a cafe where writers and bohemians hold spirited conversation over their coffee and cigarettes. It is markedly different to there modern hipster cafes with brick walls and brightly painted bookshelves where students and creatives take their laptops these days.
We can't resist having cake. I choose the famous kooglhoupf with its chocolate layers between the sweet yeasted cake. I have a square of the the slab. It is delicious with rich smooth chocolate and layers of cake so think they are like pancakes. Only later do I see it also comes in a bundt cake with chocolate swirls. I think I might like to try this at another visit. I also would love to come back and try the poppy seed slice.
My parents share a piece of the famous plum cake which is excellent with large pieces of juicy fruit in it. E has the lemon tart which he describes as being light and lovely. Sylvia can only find one vegan cake - the brownie which has been dipped in chocolate. It is very nice but oh so rich. Everyone but me has a coffee and speaks highly of it too.
Then we walk down Acland Street to browse in Readings Bookstore. It is always a joy to see all the wonderful books and greeting cards in there. E buys a book and we leave. I know that long time residents of St Kilda miss when the era when it had more of the Eastern European community. I have never known it and am very happy to be able to visit occasionally and enjoy the buzz of the street life with palm trees, street art and interesting places to visit as well as the nearby attractions of St Kilda beach, Luna Park and the Palais Theatre. Even the expensive parking cannot dampen the joy of a day out in St Kilda.
Whenever I am in the carpark on the One our favourite places to park in Northcote the carpark on the south west corner of Separation and High Streets, I like to look at any new street art, On a recent visit I had time to wander while Sylvia was browsing the op shops. I was drawn to the above artworks and delighted to find that there were some fun artwork on the fence down the lane beside it. The only artwork below not from that area is the wren at the bottom which is from a small street east of the High Street.
The luminous mushrooms and dragonflies against a black background:
Animals including the kangaroo, birds and the sheep against a lighter background:
More luminous mushrooms with a frog and plants against a black background:
Blue splendid fairy wren with flowers:
More Northcote street art can be seen in these Green Gourmet Giraffe posts:
April brought Easter, school holidays, a visit from my sister in Dublin, busy weekends and lots of amazing eating out, plus an NGV photo exhibition, going to a World Record Day gig, meeting up with friends and an afternoon in St Kilda. Other memorable moments were leaving my wallet in Geelong, riding around Brunswick with a mandolin on my back, and going to meetings of a history society museum sub committee which fill my mind dizzy with ideas about how to fit a rich local history into a small museum. You can read more about what I ate at my post on In My Kitchen: April 2026. I aso celebrated my 19th blog anniversary with a cake in April.
Above is photo of the gorgeous golden hues of sunset. It was taken by Sylvia from the Coburg train station platform. Now we have a sky rail, the station soars above the suburb and you can see the houses spread out below. I hope this view wont be blocked out by plans by our State government to make this one of the activity centres where building permits can be granted for up to 16 stories by the station.
Billy Van Creamy and the Edinburgh Gardens, North Fitzroy
On Easter Saturday, Sylvia and I went to have a vegan chocolate hot cross bun ice cream from Billv Van Creamy at their Sydney Road store in Brunswick. They were sold out but directed us to the Fitzroy North store (212 St Georges Road). It was good ice cream. Not overly spicy but it had chunks of hot cross buns in the creamy ice cream. Sylvia was less keen as she does not like cashew based ice creams as much.
The shop is a hop skip and jump to the wonderful Edinburgh gardens. It was the best place to enjoy an ice cream on a glorious spring day. We sat watching people walk their dogs, groups gather around the bbq, small kids on the play equipment, older kids throw balls to each other and students lying on the grass. I went for a walk by the avenues of trees and around the edge of the gardens opposite heritage residences. It amused me to see the different groups picnicking on the lawn: young men with stacks of pizza boxes and tubs of pringles; young women in active wear with large water bottles, the cool kids with dyed hair and chunky boots; and some older women with folding chairs and desserts they had
bought at a fancy cafe, packaged in eco-friendly cardboard tubs with
domed clear plastic lids. All walks of life came to the park to enjoy the sun on a long weekend.
Easter in Geelong
I took an Easter nut roast to Geelong to contribute to my mum's roast dinner (see more about it at my post on In My Kitchen: April 2026.) My Easter roast dinner was a delicious plate of nut roast, roast potatoes, peas, cauliflower cheese and a beetroot and pumpkin salad.
My sister fran stole the limelight at dessert with this spectacular and cheeky malt, maltesers, hazelnut and chocolate cake that she was given by@juliamakescakes in exchange for some of her great Frankly Raw peanut butter! We also had a pavlova and a basque cheesecake from my mum. The basque cheesecake looked burnt, as they do, but tasted amazing.
We exchanged Easter eggs among the younger cousins. I gave my older nieces hot cross bun decorated foldable shopping bags. My dad who is a master at present giving ordered coloured glass easter eggs (in colourful gift bags) for each of his grandkids, with personalised colours after he spoke to the artist about each of them.
Also in the photo is Fran's contribution of Smug non-alcoholic margharitas. (Disclosure: she was given some to review.) I avoided the chilli margharita and tried the coconut margharit. The lime flavour was nice and refreshing. Opinions were more mixed about the coconut flavour which I didn't mind but I would have preferred that the drinks were fizzy.
Bear Statue, West Brunswick
I had a ride to Essendon and as I cross the pedestrian and bike bridge across the M2 freeway just north of Albion Street I was cheered to see this colourful little bear statue with lots of flowers, hearts, bones and scales.
Brother Bon, Northcote
I don't have great memories of Loving Hut years ago with its chest freezers and fluorescent lights. More recently it has been renamed Brother Bon (377-379 High St, Northcote) and has a far more welcoming decor and a huge vegan menu. It is Sylvia's newest favourite vegan cafe. She has convinced me that though there is a lot of mock meat, there are many other options with tofu, tempeh, etc.
So we had a meal there recently which was really good. It was a tyranny of choice! We started with Cheeseburger cigars: Two jumbo handmade springrolls, cut in half and filled with Beyond beef, brown onions, our Big Mak sauce, and served with vegan mozzarella, aioli, white truffle oil, cornichons and oak green lettuce ($19) and Chinese broccoli and Chinese doughnuts, Cheung Fun (steamed rice noodle) ($19). They both impressed. I loved how the cigars imitated the Big Mac and I was excited at how good the Chinese doughnuts were, which I haven't had before.
For mains I had the Crispy chow mein noodles with an oyster sauce gravy and mixed seasonal vegetables and tempeh ($31). It was steaming hot, hard to break up the bed of crispy noodles, and I would have loved my tempeh fried more but it was a really good meal with lots of nice vegetables. Sylvia had the Smash burger ($33) which she loved. It had two smashed impossible beef patties, seasoned with our house burger blend, two slices of melted cheddar cheese on a toasted bun with aoili, truffle oil, chili jam, red onions, pickles, oak leaf lettuce, served with chips and a side salad
We could not get through our mains. We were pretty full and put the leftovers into boxes to take home for dinner. However we managed to make room for dessert. Sylvia had the very colourful and cool Pandan creme brulee: silky pandan custard with caramelised sugar crust, coconut gelato, toasted coconut flakes, manog, raspberries and waffle biscuits ($19). I had the Vietnamese Banana Fritter (Chuối Chiên): Vietnamese banana flattened and fried in a tempura tapioca batter with black sesame seeds for a delicious. Golden syrup is drizzled on top, served with our handmande coconut gelato ($21). It was delicious with the promised "crispy yet chewy texture". I had my peanuts in a separate bowl so Sylvia could try it.
Brewdog, Pentridge, Coburg
We had a lunch at BrewDog in Pentridge (E Building, T101/1 Champ St, Coburg) with an aquaintance. Sylvia had the Plant Powered Patriot Burger: plant based patty, plant-based bacon, cheese, baby gem, pickles, smoky BBQ ($31.95). I had the Caesar salad: baby gem lettuce, plant based bacon, crispy garlic crumb, plant-based Caesar dressing, pickled onions and I can't remember if they gave a plant based alternative to the parmesan ($27). Sylvia loved hers but I found mine not really my soft of thing. I should not have ordered it as I am not a fan of just lettuce and cream or their plant based bacon. There is lots on the menu I would prefer and will return to next time.
Coburg Lake
After the disappointing vegan Caesar salad, I went to the Pentridge IGA's great salad bar and bought a small tub of pumpkin couscous salad and a green salad of freekah, lentils, edamame and kale. We had a walk to Coburg Lake and sat to eat a far nicer meal among the trees.
I had a quick walk down to the lake to stretch my legs and felt much better after a walk and good food. It was so lovely to see the sky reflected in the lake.
Coburg Farmers Market
We went to the Coburg Farmers Market because my sister Fran had a stall of her Frankly Raw peanut butter and also met my friend Kerin. The nearby Carlton Farmers Market was closed that weekend and it was busy at Coburg. Sylvia enjoyed a Mustry strawberry matcha with soy.
I had an amazing Cheeseymite scroll from Psomi. Sylvia had the vegan cardamom scroll from the Swedish baker. We took home some excellent seeded bread and a bunch of flowers. I also included in the above photos a picture I saw at Mustry of their Dubai matcha with a Cruncy Pistachio Kadayif. It is the sort of creativity I appreciate even though I don't like these sort of milky drinks. But I am open to a Dubai hot chocolate!
The farmers market was the start of a busy day followed by picking up my brother's mandolin, lunch at Son in Law and a Record Store Day gig.
Mandolin on a bike
After the farmers market, I rode to a instrument workshop in Brunswick where my brother's mandolin was being repaired. It seemed easy to help out, being so close and planning to head to Geelong the next day where he lives. I just needed to work out how to get it on my bike but if you have a couple of octopus straps anything is possible. I had thought they could be useful for securing it on the rack but it fitted in my backpack and just needed the occy straps to counteract the zipper falling open.
And with the petrol crisis on, I was glad to save my brother a trip in his car to Melbourne. Though, I have noticed prices are much lower now. It has returned to the ho-hum "oh petrol is so pricey these days" rather than the wild-eyed "panic at the petrol bowser." The lull makes me anxious. Is it like the phony war in the early days of world war II when everyone knew they were at war but it didn't feel like it for months?
Son in Law and Fishbowl, Melbourne CBD
Sylvia and I then took a train to meet friends at Melbourne Central in the city. I have written about our trip to Son in Law, as well as previous cute cartoon bao we have been served there. I could not resist a Totoro bao filled with fried tofu and a hash brown. I wanted some vegetables too.
Next door to Son in Law is a Fishbowl franchise that was not there last time I was here. I have some good salads at other franchises so I thought I would also get a salad there. Unfortunately there were no small side salads so I bought the smallest option: the Roasted Tofu box with, house slaw, sushi rice, umami cashew crunch, lime tahini dressing, sesame seeds. The tofu were tiny cold chunks that had barely been roasted. Although I had tofu in my bao, I kept looking enviously at Sylvia's generous bowl of hot freshly fried tofu. I ended up taking quite a bit of my box home but I ate all my bao.
Saskia Robins at Wah Wah Records, Collingwood
We could not stay long at Son in Law because I had promised Sylvia I would take her to see Saskia Robins perform as part of Record Store Day at Wah Wah Records (196 Smith Street, Collingwood). Luckily it is a short tram trip from the city. It was great to see Saskia Robins play in an intimate space with vinyl lovers coming and going to browse the rows of records. I don't know her music - heartfelt indie grunge rock - but I enjoyed it and was delighted at the cover of the Pixies' "Monkey Gone to Heaven". It was also lovely that Sylvia got to chat with her afterwards and talk op shops.
Visit to Geelong or "Where is my Crumpler?"
We drove down to Geelong to see my sister and nephew from Dublin at my parents' place where they were staying. My mum served up lovely fried rice with tofu and arancini for lunch (as well as some chicken for the carnivores.) She had also made vegan scones so Sylvia could partake. Scones are my mum's speciality and these were delicious with some margarine and jam.
We all went out to a local cafe for a hot drink after lunch. While Sylvia, Chris and my mum were loving their coffees up one end, Dash, my dad and I were consoling each other at the other end because our hot chocolates were so bland and watery. And I had asked for mine extra strong! Later, when I went to drive home from my parents' house, I found I had left my Crumpler bag at the cafe. My dad heroically rushed over to check if anyone was still at the cafe but it was locked. (I hope they were not cowering under the counter after he had told them he was not impressed with the hot chocolate!) He could see my Crumpler in the cafe but could not get it until they opened the next morning. I was lucky I only had to wait a couple of days until Chris visited us at home in Melbourne and returned my Crumpler with my purse, my work swipe card and my bike light!
Luke's Bahn Mi, Melbourne CBD
Finally we got to Luke's Bahn Mi in the CBD ( 518 Little Bourke St) in a little mall over the road from the impressive 19th Century Supreme Court of Victoria building on William St. It has been on Sylvia's list for a while. She was really pleased to get a Vegan Pork Crackling Bahn Mi with mayo, pâté, cucumber, coriander, hoisin sauce, fried shallots and pickled carrot, daikon and onoin. The vegan crispy pork cracking was crunchy with a soft underside that I think is meant to be pork belly (never had eaten the stuff). It was excellent and great value at $10. No wonder people rave about it.
I went with the Vermicelli bowl with fried tofu. It was not quite as cheap at $16 but was still pretty good with tomatoes, cucumber, coriander, pickled carrots and hoisin sauce. I enjoyed it but woudl try the crispy mushroom bahn mi next time. The tofu was pressed and not really crispy. Perhaps it was frozen first which gives it a diferent texture. Not quite my thing but I can see how those who like mock meat would love it. I am keen to try more because tofu aside, they do a fine cheap meal. After Lukes, we went to Toris and the NGV.
Toris bakery cafe, Melbourne CBD
We have fond memories of a previous visit to Toris (28 Niagara Lane) where they have amazing baking in a chic vintage cafe. Sylvia was very keen to have a strawberry matcha. She rates it as one of the best matchas in the city. I went for a Dubai Chewy Cookie. I really wanted the crunchy creamy pistachio Dubai filling which was pretty intense in a really good way. It had a mochi-style marshmallow skin which was not so much my thing. Although it was coated with lots of cocoa, I would much prefer chocolate. It was only after buying it that I considered it might have gelatine and when I checked it did. I ate it and am very glad I tried it, but probably will not have another.
Women Photographers 1900 - 1975, NGV St Kilda Road
We got to the NGV St Kilda Road days before its exhibition on Women Photographers 1900-1975: a legacy of light ended. It was lots of black and white photos in a time when cameras and the art of photography were developing. At times it was hard to appreciate photos that seem quite ordinary from a 21st Century perspective but were very advanced for the time. Other photos were amazing to behold with lots of social commentary and beauty. Images were joyful, bold, and iconic. I enjoyed learning about the challenges that women overcame in becoming photographers early in the 20th Century and I stared in amazement at seeing a medal given to a suffragette hunger striker (in the photos).
The photo that delighted me the most was Virginia Woolf photographed in Tavistock Square in 1939 by Gisèle Freund. Beside it in in the photo collage above is an iconic photo of the Depression in the USA called Migrant Mother by Dorothea Lange (1936) which was part of the Farm Security Administration (FSA) Project that hired photographers. Beneath these photos clockwise from left are Ellen Auerbach's joyful R. Schottelius in New York (1953); Sue Ford's rural chic Carmel and Trish (1962); Women's Social and Political Union's Medal for Valour, awarded to Selina Martin (1909); Oliver Cotton's stunning Tea Cup Ballet (1935); Ponch Hawkes' No title (Graffiti, 'Braddock...not mild, but sexist') (1973); and Helen Levitt's New York (Boys fighting on a pediment) (c. 1940). Middle photo is more FSA photos.
Seen on the bike track
I regularly ride along the Upfield Bike Path and am sometimes amazed at the sights I see: a colourful parrot on passerby's shoulder, the penny farthing
rider, a guy with a slithery animal in his hand that I guessed was a
lizard, a cat in bubble backpack on the bike ahead, and little kids on the
back of their mum's bike yelling in triumph at bikes they passed.
One night my bike light and back up light failed me. I rode along the cobblestone back lane in
the dark and saw what looked like a piece of clothing slung over a back
fence. Looking closer, I saw it was a Common Ringtail Possum with its long tail dangling down. It was so dark I needed a flash to take a photo which scared it away. Sorry little possum!
Rococo and Acland Street, St Kilda
We had a lovely day out in Acland Street to celebrate E's birthday with Sylvia and my parents. Sylvia and I had loved the potato pizza at Rococo (85-91 Acland St) and she was delighted now she is vegan, to find that they have a large vegan menu. It is not on the website but can be requested. We shared the vegan potato pizza, a spaghetti ragu and a green salad. We followed this with a visit to the iconic Monarch Cakes for coffee and cake, and browsing in Readings book store. I plan to write more about it soon.
Huong Viet Vegan, Footscray
I had an amazing Vietnamese pancake at Huong Viet Vegan (36a Leeds Street, Footscray) where I was dining with Sylvia and Faye. On the menu it was called VN Pancakes with Tofu & Mushrooms - Bánh Xèo Tàu Hũ ($27). It was huge with lots of delicious fried strips of tofu and mushroom. I love the crisp yellow pancake that is usually gluten free because it is made from rice flour. It was served with lots of green veg and herbs as well as a chilli sauce that I swapped with a sweet chilli sauce we had with our fried wanton starter.
Sylvia had a fragrant Pho with a whole Beyond Beef burger in it - I was surprised it was not chopped to eat in the soup with noodles and vegetables. Faye was less keen on her fried chicken before it was more spicy than the menu suggested. They both loved their Vietnam iced coffee with vegan condensed milk. I was happy with the bottomless pot of tea that was served free of charge.
Angus Taylor and the Liberal Party’s moral decline, in Pearls and Irritations, Paul Keating writes: Angus Taylor’s embrace of “values” politics marks a return to racism,
abandoning the Liberal Party’s traditions in favour of base political
appeal.
Bearing witness to the parts of the whole, by Randa Abdel-Fattah, in Mondoweiss, 18 April 2026. This is an amazing long read. It is the speech Dr. Randa Abdel-Fattah gave upon being awarded the Australia
Palestine Advocacy Network’s 2026 Jerusalem (Al Quds) Peace Prize on
April 10, 2026. She "reflects on the fragmentation she has felt since October 7, caught
between daily life and the normalization of live-streamed annihilation
of Arab and Muslim lives."
The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society by Mary Ann Shaffer, Annie Barrows. I loved the insight into life on the Isle of Guernsey in the English Channel when occupied by the Germans in World War II. I even watched the movie which was not as good but had wonderful views of the island's scenery.
The Great British Bake Off - We have enjoyed binging a few series of the Great British Bake Off. It was really interesting seeing the most recent 2005 series followed by the first series in 2010. The quality of baking has increased enormously from cosy home baking in 2010 to sensational creations in 2025.