tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post6380995989010422917..comments2024-03-19T18:45:56.286+11:00Comments on Green Gourmet Giraffe: Do I dare to cook with one less pear?Johanna GGGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08594201473931487490noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-3745401871634112612011-09-17T23:31:56.749+10:002011-09-17T23:31:56.749+10:00I always worry about posting recipes that are from...I always worry about posting recipes that are from a cookbook, and try to both acknowledge and modify them. I've tended to view it as fair use to reproduce a recipe if I've reviewed the book and provided a link to where people can buy it, because I think if one reviews a cookbook it makes sense to include a recipe so that people can see what sort of things the book has... but I've never yet copied a method from a cookbook without adding my own commentary - that would feel like cheating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-73914784595010122252008-08-21T23:02:00.000+10:002008-08-21T23:02:00.000+10:00wow! i've never even conisdered the repercussions ...wow! i've never even conisdered the repercussions of posting a recipe I made from a cookbook or magazine. I always thought if I simply cited my source i'd be covered! now i'm not so sure, but i'll still do it, otherwise, like you said, how would other people know about it and be able to make it themselves. that is what i love so much about blogging - that it's so easy to share and learn new recipes. love the blogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-7008075817265657922008-08-13T23:04:00.000+10:002008-08-13T23:04:00.000+10:00Neat! Are you a T.S. Eliot fan? "Do i dare to cook...Neat! Are you a T.S. Eliot fan? "Do i dare to cook with one less pear" sounds a lot like his "Do I dare to eat a peach!"Tucohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12647404074680230626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-65704302733479575922008-08-08T18:53:00.000+10:002008-08-08T18:53:00.000+10:00thanks Susan - I would be happy to share this meal...thanks Susan - I would be happy to share this meal with you (and Michelle)<BR/><BR/>thanks Valentina - hearty is a good word for this dish!Johanna GGGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594201473931487490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-68188996838492534822008-08-07T08:16:00.000+10:002008-08-07T08:16:00.000+10:00I love hearty dishes. Lovely choice of dish.I love hearty dishes. Lovely choice of dish.Valentinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508889861448919270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-40282475765419022452008-08-07T06:07:00.000+10:002008-08-07T06:07:00.000+10:00Thank you for the thoughtful post, Michelle. I enj...Thank you for the thoughtful post, Michelle. I enjoyed reading it. I also would enjoy sharing this meal with you. It sounds wonderful.Susan from Food Bloggahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11034518858688958369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-55594767837127212782008-08-05T14:18:00.000+10:002008-08-05T14:18:00.000+10:00thanks Mary - I agree with you that blogging has o...thanks Mary - I agree with you that blogging has opened up a whole new world of recipe books and sources that might never get many readers without the net<BR/><BR/>thanks LisaRene - will need to check out your gypsy pot again - remember seeing it some time ago. I don't see it as stealing if people blog recipes and mention their source - and I think many bloggers put recipes up with their sources with the intention of sharing. <BR/><BR/>thanks Ed - oh yes some stirring up these types would be fun<BR/><BR/>thanks Holler - I agree with you - I like to see a bit of a review and a recipe together - often makes much more sense of a recipe<BR/><BR/>Thanks AOF - I know what you mean about people not crediting in the professional world - I not only want people to acknowledge my contribution but I also like to know who has developed documents I deal with. But if you read a lot of recipe books, so many people are passing on recipes from others anyway and so many are quite similar to others that I don't feel I can't reproduce a list of ingredients - but admittedly if I was a cookbook writer i might feel a little different<BR/><BR/>Thanks Ricki - have never heard that about the three modifications - v interesting - but I feel like I don't own recipes unless I go and find it in my own head rather than a book - and even then I am sure I just read it somewhere once - I think some of the discussion seems to assume more originality than is there - although I know your recipes where you modify them to be vegan and gluten free do seem to require quite a bit of work which is a different matter<BR/><BR/>thanks Lysy - I get very confused about what Ricki said with the 10% fair use copyright law - after all blogging is not about making money and you are good at acknowledging your sources so I don't think you should feel so bad - it is a confusing area of law (I always come away from copyright seminars feeling more confused than enlightened). and re the recipe - it is quite interesting<BR/><BR/>thanks Lucy - it is outrageous to feel they have the perfect potato salad and that you can only make changes in the privacy of your own home - never thought making potato salad could be so rebellious. I agree with you that in my experience bloggers generally do well with acknowledging sourcesJohanna GGGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08594201473931487490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-12704779861466106052008-08-05T08:42:00.000+10:002008-08-05T08:42:00.000+10:00I hopped over to Melissa'a blog after you mentiond...I hopped over to Melissa'a blog after you mentiond it at the Convent and was surprised - very - by the magazine's response. That any recipe can ever be 'perfect' is hugely debatable...such an aggresive stance over a potato salad is utterly outrageous. Sheesh! <BR/><BR/>Acknowledging sources is something bloggers, generally speaking, do well - ever fearful of the 'plagarist' tag! I suppose that 'Weblogs' (i.e. blogs, online personal diaries) are being taken a little more seriously? <BR/><BR/>Love the pears in this.Lucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524429760235996360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-41500330439013884512008-08-04T22:47:00.000+10:002008-08-04T22:47:00.000+10:00Wow, this is really interesting. I'd always wonder...Wow, this is really interesting. I'd always wondered whether there were any rules, but as in the academic world had always assumed that as long as you credited where the recipe was from you were ok. I can see why trying to pass it off as your own is wrong, but apparently I stand chastened (and probably in breach of all sorts of laws!) I was always more concerned with whether authors would be upset bloggers would affect sales of their books but this seems to be a separate issue.<BR/><BR/>On another note - the recipe looks lovely. I've only matched pears with cheese or relish - or put it in cakes. This sounds like a good one.Lysyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13415024852684873909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-74389255671529014292008-08-04T10:36:00.000+10:002008-08-04T10:36:00.000+10:00Wow! I just went to Melissa's blog (there are now...Wow! I just went to Melissa's blog (there are now 284 comments) and couldn't help but post what I'd been told when I owned a baking company and was trying to safeguard original recipes: if someone changes THREE ingredients--even if it's 1/4 tsp. to 1/2 tsp. vanilla--it is considered a new, original, recipe. So ATK has no "copyright" over the recipe. Further, according to U.S. "fair use" laws, anyone can republish up to 10% of a printed work without worrying about copyright--this is what book reviewers do all the time in newspapers and magazines. Whew! <BR/><BR/>And now, on to the casserole. . . .looks beautiful, and what an interesting bunch of ingredients! I think I'd find 2 pears too sweet, as well. . . so just drop it to one, and a whole new recipe is born! ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-50873431042569752202008-08-04T10:20:00.000+10:002008-08-04T10:20:00.000+10:00It was great to discuss this in the flesh last wee...It was great to discuss this in the flesh last week and I have thought about the issues a lot ever since. If recipe writing was my job, then I might get more than a little annoyed to find something I'd slaved over for months getting passed off in a blog, or by a colleague, as their own. I say this because similar things have happened in my professional world where we share 'recipes' so to speak amongst ourselves but have felt very differently when an ex-student has marketed them as products of her own.<BR/><BR/>For me it is really important to acknowledge sources otherwise it is out and out plagiarism. But blogwise I am still hesitant to reproduce something entirely the same even if the author is duly noted. You mightn't be able to copyright ingredients but I respect the work that has gone into working out the combinations of flavours and quantities, which maybe more important to the final outcome than saying bubbling rather than boiling. Interestingly, the Bali cooking course at Casa Luna very pointedly copyrighted its notes and make it clear that recipes couldn't be reproduced, acknowledged or not.<BR/><BR/>But back to the potato salad. How silly to think there is just one ultimate recipe. That to me is the idiocy of all this, not just the issue of copyright!GShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11963643826578219126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-59803219245715506732008-08-04T08:50:00.000+10:002008-08-04T08:50:00.000+10:00Hi Johanna, I too was appalled when I read Melissa...Hi Johanna, I too was appalled when I read Melissa's post. I don't think that the test kitchen have done themselves any favours!<BR/>I think it is ok to try out a recipe from a cookbook, magazine, blog, as long as you credit the source and give a bit of review too. Although saying that, if I try another bloggers recipe, I will usually link back to their instructions. We are a very supportive communtiy and I don't think we should berate ourselves over this.<BR/>Lovely recipe by the way, it sounds real good.Jacqueline Meldrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05748535381400208316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-21591334855865698002008-08-04T06:46:00.000+10:002008-08-04T06:46:00.000+10:00I just clicked through on the link. I can't believ...I just clicked through on the link. I can't believe the exchange. LOL! I reckon a blog carnival designed to wind these people up would be fun.Ed Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00579789564673979283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-12655805757219125412008-08-04T03:06:00.000+10:002008-08-04T03:06:00.000+10:00I saw Melissa's post, it was very interesting to r...I saw Melissa's post, it was very interesting to read. My main concern is what to do when I blog about a recipe I made verbatim from a cookbook - to post the recipe or not to post it? I feel that it would be stealing from the author to post the recipe on my blog so instead I just mention the cookbook in question. I am surprised how many bloggers do post a recipe verbatim from a cookbook. <BR/><BR/>This dish reminds me of a soup I've made called "Gypsy Pot", it too contains pears. Even thought it is summer here, it never gets hot in the Pacific Northwest so we can enjoy a nice warm dish like this year around :)LisaRenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17033748967210196808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6742756814967464811.post-54912624805651602982008-08-04T01:05:00.000+10:002008-08-04T01:05:00.000+10:00I totally agree. I love how blogging is for the mo...I totally agree. I love how blogging is for the most part laid back and so many unusual (to me) recipes are posted from sources I either wouldn't know to look for or would be horrible difficult to find.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11924161328076804836noreply@blogger.com